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Glenn Carle<\/strong> – March 24, 2012 Paris -Thank you.\u00a0 Thank you very much. Thank you very much.\u00a0 I\u2019m honored to be here with such dedicated people.\u00a0 My colleagues on the podium have spoken powerfully about the plight of the people in Camp Ashraf and about the Mojahedin-e Khalq. I\u2019m going to speak about the framework in which the struggle with Iran over the fate of the camp is occurring, a clash of great powers where much that happens is not seen, only the consequences of clandestine acts are felt but not often understood, and where now the people in the camp, Camp Ashraf, are suffering as a result.\u00a0 So I will say a word about three aspects of this clash, Iranian disinformation, the MEK, and U.S. policy.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ll start with disinformation.\u00a0 Two objectives guided my career as a CIA officer trying to ascertain the truth and trying to learn and counter the lies spread by my country\u2019s adversaries, what we call disinformation in the intelligence business.\u00a0 Now at the entrance of the CIA headquarter building is a quote from the Bible.\u00a0 It says, \u201cAnd you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.\u201d\u00a0 With the truth in hand, a government may\u2014may\u2014pursue its national interests sensibly.\u00a0 This gray world of doubt and confusion is one of the central themes in a book that I wrote which relates my involvement in the interrogation of a man whom we believe to be one of the top members of Al-Qaeda.\u00a0 The facts are uncertain, objectives are unclear or mutually exclusive, lies are very hard to detect and the truth is often beyond reach.\u00a0 And yet one must decide as a policy-maker, as these gentlemen and lady are, what our objectives are, who the enemy is, what he is doing and one must decide now.<\/p>\n

The United States is strong and Iran cannot challenge it directly without running great risk.\u00a0 And it is, in any event a far wiser policy for any state to convince your adversary to do your bidding for you by convincing him without his being even aware to share enough of your views so as to undermine his own objectives.\u00a0 So sensibly, Iran has sought to make it almost impossible to know the truth about Iran\u2019s nuclear program, about Iran\u2019s support for the Syrian regime, for Hezbollah and Hamas and about the nature of the MEK.\u00a0 But hiding the truth is straightforward.\u00a0 More subtle, and at least as important, is Iran\u2019s effort to alter the perceptions of Iran\u2019s adversaries through a disinformation campaign to discredit Iran\u2019s opponents, perhaps the most important of whom is the MEK.\u00a0 This is a campaign carried out by indirection rather than by frontal denunciations.\u00a0 The MOIS, Iran\u2019s intelligence service, the counterpart of the CIA, is sure to have made a particular effort to undermine the MEK during the entire existence of the mullah\u2019s regime.\u00a0 This constitutes a perverse and yet an ironic tribute to the impact that the mullahs fear the MEK can have inside Iran.<\/p>\n

Now how does an intelligence service undermine an adversary or one of its targets?\u00a0 How does the MOIS seek to discredit the MEK or to mask Iran\u2019s nuclear policies?\u00a0 Well straight denunciations are too crude and too simple, easy to find.\u00a0 Instead, the MOIS or any intelligence service will seek to work from within the opponent\u2019s own camp.\u00a0 Comments will surface in society or in the media, wherever opinions are formed, that are not attributable to the Iranian regime at all, arguing that de-listing the MEK from the foreign terrorist organization list of the United States State Department would undermine U.S. interests.\u00a0 De-listing, the argument will run, will make the Iranian regime more recalcitrant.\u00a0 It is an Orwellian world in which true is false, and denunciations are praise, and unarmed refugees threaten thugs with AK-47s.\u00a0 The results of such reasoning is that U.S. policy with a view of the MEK now years behind the facts actually serves Iranian purposes.\u00a0 The campaign will muddy the very nature of the MEK through a series of seemingly independent remarks made by respected individuals or that surface in untraceable ways.\u00a0 Conflicting characterizations surface, all based of course on some truth.\u00a0 The best way to lie is to tell some bits, some small bits of partial truth and that then distort perception enough to serve your own purposes.\u00a0 So one hears, we\u2019ve all heard, that the MEK has become a culted personality or it\u2019s a Marxist organization or it\u2019s a terrorist organization or it\u2019s an elitist organization out of touch with the desire of the Iranian people, or that it abuses its members or it has no support within Iran, that it is weak and yet it is so strong that it threatens the regime of the mullahs and that the U.S. must hand it over to the Iranians as a first condition of discussing whether to have the discussions over possible concessions by Tehran, the concessions being not to agree with what the regime says it\u2019s not doing anyway.\u00a0 A truly Orwellian world.\u00a0 The effective disinformation, of Iranian disinformation, even when one knows that the MOIS is spreading this disinformation and exaggeration is at the least that the truth becomes harder to see.\u00a0 Should the United States de-list the MEK then?\u00a0 What is in the United States\u2019 interest?\u00a0 What are the facts?\u00a0 It becomes harder to know.<\/p>\n

Now a word about U.S. policy.\u00a0 For all my intelligence officer colleagues\u2019 and my efforts often the truth becomes disputable or uncertain.\u00a0 Even lies, even lies raise doubts, slow decisions can make actions harder to take.\u00a0 Now this is a real dilemma for policy-makers.\u00a0 But it is disturbing, I find, how often policy-makers then feel they must rely on intelligence services to provide answers to policy issues that are value judgments for which facts are helpful, but facts cannot make decisions about national interest.\u00a0 In the end then, value judgments about national interest, about U.S. national interest, trump muddled or contested facts or awkward facts or the MOIS, or they should.\u00a0 Knowing your strategic interest arms you from many of the effects of this disinformation, from the MOIS\u2019s disinformation.\u00a0 And here U.S. policy interest in the MEK find themselves in harmony.\u00a0 Whatever the truth or lies one has heard or learned or come to wonder about, whatever the MOIS has been whispering in the ears of anyone they can get to listen to them, it is clear that the United States and Iran are involved in a regional great game for influence in the Middle East, that the United States seeks stability in the region and that the Iranian regime is a destabilizing power there whose values as you all know are inimical to those of the United States and of the West.<\/p>\n

It is also clear that the Iranian regime supports Hezbollah, Hamas, the Assad regime in Syria, threatens the stability of Saudi Arabia, all the Gulf States and the existence of Israel.\u00a0 It is clear that Iran has a disturbing and destabilizing nuclear program whether it intends to take the final steps to develop a nuclear weapon or not.\u00a0 It is also clear that over 30 years the MEK has evolved and has become a champion of Western norms and has always been a keen adversary of the mullahs.\u00a0 It is clear to everyone who is not part of the Iranian power structure that the true Monafeqin (term normally used by Iran regime for MEK which means \u2018hypocrites\u2019) are the Mullahs of Tehran, [applause] their servants, the Iranian revolutionary guards and the MOIS who serve as the regime\u2019s goons.\u00a0 It is clear also that Ayatollah Khomeini was right.\u00a0 The MEK does have a word I will mispronounce, (Gharbzadegi) the Western plague.\u00a0 But it is clear that Khomeini was profoundly wrong.\u00a0 For the Western plague, as he called it, is a set of values and norms and beliefs that most Iranians wish to live by and that would make Iran prosperous, Iranian people free to live as they choose, and the Middle East peaceful rather than a region in constant war and suffering, blighted by rigid minds and dashed hopes and its peoples resentful and envious of more successful societies that have embraced these Western norms.<\/p>\n

These larger truths considered, the MOIS\u2019s disinformation efforts against the MEK and its efforts to muddy perceptions about Iranian actions in the entire region or of the inimical nature of the mullahs\u2019 regime need not, should not distract the United States from its national interests vis-a-vis Iran.\u00a0 And here, the U.S. national interest and the goals of the MEK coincide.\u00a0 The United States should remove these MEK from the foreign terrorist organization list.\u00a0 And the poor people now in Camps Ashraf and Liberty are suffering and ill-treated pawns in this great game. Both from humanitarian and United States\u2019 policy objectives,\u00a0 the individuals in the camps should be removed or I should say liberated beyond the hostile influence of the Mullahs.\u00a0 The camps blight the conscience and hinder what should be U.S. policy objectives as well as those of the MEK.\u00a0 Thank you very much. [applause]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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